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 Post subject: Fat Free Cheese
PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 5:32 pm 
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Is it ok to eat fat free cheeses while in Attack Phase? I see that "low fat" dairy is allowed and I took that as meaning cheese too.


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 Post subject: Re: Fat Free Cheese
PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 7:00 pm 
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No cheese. Sorry!



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 Post subject: Re: Fat Free Cheese
PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 1:11 am 
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fat free cream cheese and fat free ricotta cheese are allowed during Attack (USA)



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 Post subject: Re: Fat Free Cheese
PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 7:23 pm 
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The book said all fat free dairy..cheese is dairy


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 Post subject: Re: Fat Free Cheese
PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 9:51 pm 
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Yes cheese is dairy but it is not allowed until Consolidation stage.

In the ROW book when Dr Dukan talks about what food you can eat in Attack the heading is "Category 8: Non-fat dairy products. (0% fat yoghurt, fromage frais or quark, cottage cheese)". He mentions skimmed milk (which is also a dairy) in the Extras section. Therefore I would take it to mean these are the only dairy products allowed during attack. In the Consolidation section he says you can add in "One serving of cheese per day" - ands discusses the types of cheese including fat reduced. He clearly is intending that cheese is not allowed until Consolidation. Mind you in those countries where fromage frais or quark is not available in a non fat version then low fat ricotta is allowed as a substitute.

Dr Dukan does allow some low fat cheese such as Laughing Cow or Ligt Mini Babybel as a tolerated item. You can only have tolerated items once on Cruise phase (not Attack) and only 2 tolerated items per day.



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 Post subject: Re: Fat Free Cheese
PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 1:53 am 
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Ahhh crap.. Ive been eating non fat cheese the entire time. Do I need to just stop, continue attack or what? Ive been losing weight just until today which stayed the same. On day 6 of attack, was switching to next phase tomorrow.



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 Post subject: Re: Fat Free Cheese
PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:05 am 
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Well, if Babybel light is allowed I think the cheese I found at Safeway is ok. It's Lucerne brand and its 2% milk medium cheddar cheese. They also have a provolone version. Here are the ingredients of Babybel and Lucerne:

Babybel Light: Pasturized cultured part skim milk, salt, microbial enzymes.

Calories per 21grams : 50 Fat:3g Sodium: 160mg Carb:0g Sugars: 0g

Lucerne 2%milk medium cheddar natural cheese: Pasturized part-skim milk, cheese culture, salt, enzymes, annato(veg color), vitamin A

Calories per 21 grams: 60 Fat: 4g Sodium: 150mg Carb: 0g Sugar 0g

These are clearly very similar cheese products, so I don't feel it should be required that its Babybel or Laughing cow, just that its good quality low fat cheese. Obviously Dr. Dukan would want us to steer away from overly processed cheeses like that "American" cheese that is sold fat free.

Do you agree?



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 Post subject: Re: Fat Free Cheese
PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 10:04 am 
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Do you agree? NO

Babybel Light is a tolerated item, meaning that if you really really REALLY need to have it, then the doctor may just about turn a blind eye. Its not a green light to have it. even tolerated items should not be eaten every day. Also you will find that most of us do not eat this.

Listen to Moomoo and re-read the book

The idea is to lose weight in a structured way and learn to make the right choices to continue to stay at a stable weight for the rest of your life. If you just keep finding substitutes for everything, you and your body are not learning the new rules



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 Post subject: Re: Fat Free Cheese
PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 10:30 am 
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Ahhh crap.. Ive been eating non fat cheese the entire time. Do I need to just stop, continue attack or what? Ive been losing weight just until today which stayed the same. On day 6 of attack, was switching to next phase tomorrow.


I've been eating fat-free cheese too. Personally, I think it is a gray area as to whether it is allowed or not. As many have said on this forum, fat-free dairy is generally not readily available outside the US, especially when it comes to cheese. Just listen to your body. If you find that you are successfully losing weight while eating fat-free cheese, then I wouldn't worry too much about it. However, if the weight loss slows or stops, then consider holding off on the cheese for a bit to see if that helps.

While the DD has strict rules, much of it is also figuring out what works for you and your body - as with any diet. The goal is to be successful and lose weight. My view is that if eating some fat-free cheese staves off a craving that could lead to falling off the wagon entirely (such as by eating an entire wheel of brie :!:), and if you're not seeing any adverse reaction to the fat-free cheese, then go for it!



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 Post subject: Re: Fat Free Cheese
PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 11:41 am 
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Hi, I can not find fat free cream cheese (UK) so settled for Philadelphia Light - 5% fat.
What r your views on this product? A "go-go" or a "no-go"? :roll:
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